Ukuxhumana Kwamasiko Nekhono
Ngokwamasiko Ukuxhumana Nobuchule Ku-ICERM Radio isakazwa ngoMgqibelo, Agasti 6, 2016 ngo-2 PM Eastern Time (New York).
2016 Summer Lecture Series
Ingqikithi: “Ukuxhumana Kwamasiko Nokwazi”
Abafundisi abayizivakashi:
Beth Fisher-Yoshida, Ph.D., (CCS), UMongameli kanye ne-CEO ye UFisher Yoshida International, LLC; Umqondisi kanye Nekhono LeNgcweti Yezesayensi Ezingxoxweni Nezixazululo Zengxabano kanye Nomqondisi Omkhulu Wokubambisene we-Advanced Consortium for Cooperation, Conflict and Complexity (AC4) e-Earth Institute, kokubili e-Columbia University; kanye noMqondisi Wohlelo Lwentsha Lokuthula Nokuvikeleka kwa-AC4.
U-Ria Yoshida, MA, Umqondisi Wezokuxhumana kwa- UFisher Yoshida International.
Okulotshiweyo Kwesifundo
Ria: Sawubona! Igama lami ngingu-Ria Yoshida.
Beth: Futhi ngingu-Beth Fisher-Yoshida futhi namuhla singathanda ukukhuluma nawe mayelana nomkhakha wezingxabano phakathi kwamasiko futhi sizosebenzisa isipiliyoni esibe nakho mathupha emsebenzini wethu nokuhlala emhlabeni wonke, noma indawo yokusebenza kanye nomsebenzi wethu namakhasimende. Futhi lokhu kungaba kumazinga ambalwa ahlukene, umuntu angaba sezingeni ngalinye namakhasimende lapho sisebenza nawo esimeni sokuqeqesha. Okunye kungaba sezingeni lenhlangano lapho sisebenza khona namaqembu ahlukene kakhulu noma anamasiko amaningi. Futhi indawo yesithathu kungaba lapho sisebenza emiphakathini lapho unamaqembu ahlukene abantu abanikeza izincazelo ezahlukene zokuba yilungu lalowo mphakathi.
Ngakho-ke njengoba sazi, umhlaba uya ngokuba mncane, kunokukhulumisana okwengeziwe, kukhona nokuhamba. Abantu bayakwazi ukuxhumana nomehluko noma abanye njalo, kaningi kakhulu kunangaphambili. Futhi okunye kwalokho kuhle futhi kucebile futhi kuyajabulisa futhi kuletha ukuhlukahluka okuningi, amathuba okusungula, ukuxazulula izinkinga ngokuhlanganyela, imibono eminingi, njalonjalo. Futhi ngakolunye uhlangothi lwalokho, kuphinde kube yithuba lokuthi kuqubuke ukungqubuzana okuningi ngoba mhlawumbe umbono womunye awufani nowakho futhi awuvumelani nakho futhi uyaphikisana nakho. Noma mhlawumbe indlela yokuphila yothile ayifani neyakho, futhi uyaphinda futhi uphikisana nayo futhi mhlawumbe unamasethi ahlukene wezindinganiso nokunye.
Ngakho-ke singathanda ukuhlola ngezibonelo ezimbalwa ezingokoqobo zalokho okwenzekile ngempela bese sibuyela emuva futhi sisebenzise amanye amathuluzi nezinhlaka esivame ukuzisebenzisa emsebenzini wethu nasezimpilweni zethu ukuze sihlole ezinye zalezo zimo. ngokucophelela. Ngakho-ke mhlawumbe singaqala ngokuthi u-Ria anikeze isibonelo sokuthi ukhule kokubili e-US nase-Japan, futhi mhlawumbe okuthile okwenzeka kuwe okwakuyisibonelo sokungqubuzana kwamasiko.
Ria: Impela. Ngikhumbula lapho ngineminyaka engu-11 futhi ngiqala ukuthuthela e-US ngisuka eJapane. Kwakusesikoleni sangeSonto, sasizungeza ikilasi sizazisa kwafika ithuba lami ngathi “Sawubona, igama lami nginguRia futhi angihlakaniphile.” Kube yimpendulo ye-autopilot yeminyaka engu-11 esingenisweni futhi manje, uma ngicabanga ngakho, ngiyabona ukuthi izimiso zase-Japan kufanele zibe nokuzithoba kanye nomuzwa wokuzithoba okuyinto engangizama ukuyilandela. Kodwa esikhundleni salokho, impendulo engayithola kwabanye engangifunda nabo yayinesihawu – “Aww, akacabangi ukuthi uhlakaniphile.” Futhi kwaba nomzuzwana lapho ngazizwa ngimisiwe ngesikhathi futhi ngafakwa ngaphakathi “Oh, angisekho endaweni efanayo. Azikho izinhlelo ezifanayo zenani noma imithelela yazo”, futhi kwadingeka ngibuyekeze kabusha isimo sami futhi ngabona ukuthi kunomehluko wamasiko.
Beth: Isibonelo esihle kakhulu lapho, siyathakazelisa. Ngiyazibuza-ke, ngenkathi uhlangabezana nalokho, awuzange uyithole impendulo obuyilindele, awuzange uyithole impendulo owawuyoyithola eJapane, naseJapane lokho kwakungaba ngeyokudumisa "Oh , bheka indlela athobeke ngayo, yeka ingane emangalisayo; esikhundleni salokho waba nesihawu. Futhi-ke, ucabangeni ngalokho mayelana nendlela ozizwa ngayo kanye nezimpendulo zabanye abafundi.
Ria: Ngakho kwaba nomzuzwana lapho ngezwa ngihlukana nami kanye nabanye. Futhi ngangifuna ngempela ukuxhumana nabanye engangifunda nabo. Ukuthi ngale kwezindinganiso zamasiko zaseJapane noma zaseMelika, kwakukhona lesi sidingo somuntu sokufuna ukuxhumana nabanye abantu. Nokho kwakukhona le ngxoxo yangaphakathi eyayenzeka kimi, enye yezingxabano lapho ngezwa khona ukuthi “Laba bantu abangiqondi” kanye nokuthi “Ngenzeni nje iphutha?”
Beth: Kuyathakazelisa. Ngakho-ke usho izinto ezimbalwa engingathanda ukuziqaqa kancane njengoba siya phambili. Ngakho-ke enye iwukuthi uzizwe uhlukene nawe kanye nokwehlukana nabanye abantu futhi njengabantu singabantu, njengoba abanye abantu besho, izilwane zomphakathi, izidalwa zomphakathi, ukuthi sinesidingo. Esinye sezidingo ezihlonziwe abantu abahlukene abazihlonze uchungechunge lwezidingo, ezitholakala emhlabeni wonke jikelele kanye neziqondile, okumele sixhumane, sibe ngabathile, sibe nabanye, futhi lokho kusho ukuqashelwa, ukwamukelwa, ukwaziswa. , ukusho into efanele. Futhi kuyimpendulo esebenzisanayo lapho sisho noma senza okuthile, sifuna ukuthola impendulo ethile kwabanye esenza sizizwe sijabule ngathi, mayelana nobudlelwano bethu, ngomhlaba esikuwo, bese lokho kuletha impendulo elandelayo evela thina; kodwa ubungakutholi lokho. Kwesinye isikhathi abantu, noma yimuphi wethu, ezimeni ezinjengalezo bangashesha ukwahlulela nokusola futhi lokho kusolwa kungavela ngezindlela ezahlukene. Omunye angase asole omunye – “Yini engalungile ngabo? Ingabe abazi ukuthi kufanele baphendule ngendlela ethile? Angithi bayazi ukuthi kufanele bangibone bese bethi 'oh wow, indlela ethobeke ngayo.' Abazi ukuthi yilokho okufanele kwenzeke?” Ubuye wathi “Mhlawumbe kukhona okungalungile ngami”, ngakho-ke kwesinye isikhathi siyakuphendulela lokho kusola ngaphakathi bese sithi “Asilungile ngokwanele. Asilungile. Asazi ukuthi kwenzakalani.” Kwehlisa ukuzethemba kwethu bese kuba khona izinhlobo ezahlukene zokusabela kulokho. Futhi-ke, ezimweni eziningi sinecala lokuhamba ngazo zombili, sisola omunye futhi sizisole thina, singadali isimo esimnandi kakhulu kuleso simo.
Ria: Yebo. Kunezinga lokungqubuzana okwenzeka emazingeni amaningi - awangaphakathi nawangaphandle - futhi awahlukani. Ukungqubuzana kunendlela yokungena esimweni nesipiliyoni ngezindlela eziningi ezahlukene.
Beth: Iqiniso. Ngakho-ke uma sisho igama elithi ukungqubuzana, kwesinye isikhathi abantu bayasabela kulokho ngenxa yezinga lethu lokungakhululeki ekulawuleni ukungqubuzana. Futhi ngingathi “Bangaki abantu abathanda ukungqubuzana?” futhi empeleni akekho ongaphakamisa isandla sakhe uma ngike ngabuza lowombuzo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kunezizathu ezimbalwa zokuthi kungani; enye ukuthi asazi ukuthi singaphatha kanjani ukungqubuzana njengethuluzi lansuku zonke. Sinezingxabano, wonke umuntu unezingxabano, bese singazi ukuthi sizozilawula kanjani okusho ukuthi azihambi kahle, okusho ukuthi sicekela phansi noma silimaza ubudlelwano bethu ngakho ngokwemvelo sifuna ukuba namasu ambalwa, sigweme. kubo, bebacindezela, futhi nje bahlale kude nabo ngokuphelele. Noma singase sicabange ngokuzibamba kwesimo sokungqubuzana, sithi, “Uyazi, kukhona okwenzekayo lapha. Akuzwakali kahle futhi ngizobheka indlela yokuzizwa ngingcono ngalesi simo futhi ngithathe ukuvela kwalezi zingxabano njengethuba lokudala ukungqubuzana okuhle noma ukungqubuzana okwakhayo.” Ngakho-ke yilapho ngicabanga ukuthi sinethuba lokuhlukanisa ukungqubuzana okwakhayo, okusho inqubo eyakhayo yokubhekana nokungqubuzana okuholela kumphumela owakhayo. Noma inqubo elimazayo yokuthi siphatha kanjani isimo sokungqubuzana esiholela kumphumela olimazayo. Futhi ngakho-ke mhlawumbe singakuhlola lokho kancane futhi ngemva kokudlula mhlawumbe izibonelo ezimbalwa zezimo.
Ngakho unikeze isibonelo sesimo somuntu siqu. Ngizonikeza isibonelo sesimo senhlangano. Ngakho-ke emsebenzini omningi owenziwa mina no-Ria, sisebenza namaqembu anamasiko amaningi ngaphakathi kwezinhlangano zamazwe ngamazwe, ezinamasiko amaningi. Kwesinye isikhathi kuba kubi nakakhulu uma kukhona amanye amazinga okuyinkimbinkimbi angezwe njengokuthi ubuso nobuso uma kuqhathaniswa namaqembu abonakalayo. Njengoba sazi, endimeni yezokuxhumana kuningi okwenzeka ngaphandle kwamazwi, isimo sobuso, ukushukuma komzimba nokunye, okulahlekayo uma u-virtual, bese kuba nokushintshashintsha okusha kukho lapho kungaphakathi kuphela. ngokubhala futhi awunabo ngisho ubukhulu obungeziwe bethoni yezwi lapho. Yebo, angizange ngikhulume ngazo zonke izinkinga zolimi ezenzekayo, noma ngabe ukhuluma 'ulimi' olufanayo, ungasebenzisa amagama ahlukene ukuziveza futhi anenye indlela yokwehla.
Ngakho-ke ufuna ukucabanga ngenhlangano, sicabanga ngeqembu lamasiko amaningi futhi manje usunawo, ake sithi, amalungu ayi-6 eqenjini. Unamalungu ayi-6 aqhamuka emasikweni ahlukene, amasiko ahlukene, okusho ukuthi beza neqoqo eliphelele lokuthi kusho ukuthini ukuba enhlanganweni, kusho ukuthini ukusebenza, kusho ukuthini ukuba semhlanganweni. iqembu, futhi yini engiyilindele kwabanye emaqenjini ngokunjalo. Ngakho-ke, ezikhathini eziningi kokuhlangenwe nakho kwethu, amaqembu awahlali phansi ekuqaleni kokuhlangana athi “Uyazi ukuthini, ake sihlole ukuthi sizosebenzisana kanjani. Sizokuphatha kanjani ukuxhumana kwethu? Sizokwenza kanjani uma kukhona ukungezwani? Sizokwenzani? Futhi sizozithatha kanjani izinqumo?" Ngenxa yokuthi lokhu akucaciswanga futhi ngenxa yokuthi le mihlahlandlela ayibuyekezwa, maningi amathuba ezimo zokungqubuzana.
Sinobukhulu obumbalwa esibusebenzisile futhi kunereferensi enhle, i-SAGE Encyclopedia of Intercultural Competence, futhi mina no-Ria sibe nenhlanhla yokumenywa ukuthi senze izethulo ezimbalwa kulokho. Kwesinye sezindatshana zethu sibheke izilinganiso ezimbalwa ezihlukene esiziqoqe emithonjeni eyahlukene futhi saqhamuka nazo ezingaba ngu-12. Ngeke ngikhulume ngazo zonke, kodwa kukhona umbhangqwana ongase ube usizo ekuhloleni ezinye zalezi zimo. Isibonelo, ukugwema ukungaqiniseki - kukhona ukuthambekela kwamasiko okunethezeka kakhulu nokungaqondakali kunezinye. Ku-Coordinated Management of Meaning ebizwa ngokuthi i-CMM, kunomqondo womunye wemigomo yemfihlakalo, futhi sonke sinamazinga ahlukene ngabanye nangokwesiko mayelana nokuthi kungakanani ukungaqondakali noma imfihlakalo engakanani esikhululekile ukubhekana nayo. Futhi emva kwalokho, sihamba sidlula onqenqemeni futhi "Akusekho. Angisakwazi ukubhekana nalokhu.” Ngakho-ke kwabanye abantu abanokugwema ukungaqiniseki okuphansi kakhulu, bangase bafune ukuba nohlelo olucatshangelwe ngokucophelela kakhulu kanye ne-ajenda kanye neshejuli futhi babe nakho konke okuchazwe kusengaphambili ngaphambi komhlangano. Ngokunye ukugwema ukungaqiniseki okuphezulu, “Uyazi, asiqhubeke nokugeleza. Siyazi ukuthi kufanele sibhekane nezihloko ezithile, sizobona nje ukuthi yini evela kuleso simo.” Hhayi-ke, ungacabanga ukuthi uhlezi egumbini futhi kukhona umuntu ofuna i-ajenda eqinile futhi omunye umuntu empeleni amelana ne-ajenda eqinile futhi ofuna ukungena kakhulu ekuhambeni futhi abe abasafufusa kakhulu. Kwenzekani lapho uma bengenalo uhlobo lwengxoxo mayelana nokuthi sizozimisa kanjani i-ajenda, sizozithatha kanjani izinqumo, nokunye.
Ria: Yebo! Ngicabanga ukuthi lawa amaphuzu amahle ngempela ukuthi sinezici eziningi ngabanye futhi sihlangene, futhi ngezinye izikhathi kuyindida ukuthi okuphambene kungaba khona futhi kuhambisane. Futhi okwenziwa yilokhu, njengoba ushilo, kunethuba lokuqamba okwengeziwe, ukwehlukahlukana okwengeziwe, futhi kudala amathuba amaningi okuthi kube nokungqubuzana okuthile. Futhi ukubheka lokho njengethuba loshintsho, njengethuba lokwanda. Enye yezinto engingathanda ukuzigqamisa yilapho silawula amazinga okungabekezelelani ngaphakathi kwethu, namazinga okukhathazeka, nokuthi ngokuvamile siyashesha ukusabela, sisheshe ukuphendula ngoba ukukhathazeka esibhekana nakho akunakubekezelelwa. Futhi ikakhulukazi uma singenalo ulimi oluningi mayelana nalezi zihloko, zingenzeka ngemizuzwana phakathi kwabantu. Futhi kunezinga lengxoxo engaphezulu futhi kukhona ingxoxo ye-meta. Kukhona ukuxhumana okuhlala kwenzeka phakathi kwabantu ngaphandle kokukhuluma emhlabeni we-meta, ngeke singene kakhulu kumafilosofi akhona ngoba sifuna ukubhekana nethuluzi eliningi kanye nendlela yokuphatha lezi zimo.
Beth: Kulungile. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi uma sifuna ukwenza izinto zibe nzima kancane, kuthiwani uma sengeza kubo bonke ibanga lamandla? Ubani onelungelo lokunquma ukuthi senzeni? Ingabe sinayo i-ajenda? Noma sihamba nokuvela nokugeleza kwalokho okwenzekayo okwamanje? Futhi kuye ngokuthi imuphi umumo wamasiko onawo mayelana nebanga lamandla, ungase ucabange ukuthi “Kulungile, uma kuyibanga lamandla aphezulu akunandaba ukuthi ngicabangani noma nginendaba nakho ngoba kufanele ngihluke kubaphathi abaphezulu egumbini. ” Uma usuka ku-orientation yebanga lamandla aphansi, kufana nokuthi “Sonke sikulokhu ndawonye futhi sonke sinethuba lokwenza izinqumo ndawonye.” Bese kuthi futhi, uma unalokho kungqubuzana, lapho umuntu onegunya eliphakeme noma amandla ecabanga ukuthi uzokwenza lezo zinqumo kodwa aphikiswe, noma abone ukuthi kuyinselele, ngomunye umuntu lapho Besingalindele ukuthola omunye umuntu ukuthi aveze umbono wabo ngezinto, bese siba nezinye izimo.
Bengifuna futhi ukuletha umongo wesithathu lapho lezi zingxabano phakathi kwamasiko zingenzeka khona, futhi lokho kusemiphakathini. Futhi enye yezinto ezenzekayo emhlabeni, futhi akusho ukuthi yenzeka kuzo zonke izingxenye zomhlaba, kodwa ngokuvamile, futhi ngazi ngokwami isipiliyoni sokukhulela endaweni eyodwa iminyaka eminingi ngaze ngaya ekolishi uma kuqhathaniswa namanje lapho unezinga elikhulayo lokuhamba ngezizathu ezihlukahlukene. Kungaba ngenxa yokuthi sinezimo zababaleki, sinokuhamba ngaphakathi kwesiko, njalonjalo. Ziyanda izigameko zezinhlobo ezahlukene zabantu abavela ezizindeni ezihlukene, izinhlanga ezahlukene, izimilo ezihlukene, abahlala ngaphakathi emphakathini owodwa. Futhi ngakho-ke kungase kube into ecashile njengamaphunga okupheka ahlukene angakwazi ukuqonda ngempela omakhelwane ukuze bangene ngempela ezimweni zokungqubuzana ngoba bengathandi, futhi abajwayele futhi bayahlulela, iphunga lokupheka elivela efulethini likamakhelwane. Noma singaba nomakhelwane lapho kunendawo okwabelwana ngayo esidlangalaleni njengepaki noma isikhungo somphakathi noma imigwaqo ngokwayo, futhi abantu baneziqondiso ezihlukene zokuthi kusho ukuthini ukwabelana ngaleyo ndawo, nokuthi ubani onamalungelo kuleyo ndawo. , futhi sisinakekela kanjani leso sikhala, futhi isibopho sikabani? Ngiyakhumbula manje, ngakhulela eDolobheni laseNew York futhi wawunakekela ifulethi lakho futhi wawunomuntu onakekela isakhiwo nemigwaqo nokunye, ngokuyisisekelo imigwaqo yayingeyona indawo yomuntu ngempela. Kwathi lapho ngihlala e-Japan, kwakungithakazelisa kakhulu ukuthi abantu babehlangana kanjani - ngicabanga ukuthi kanye ngenyanga noma kabili ngenyanga - ivolontiya lokuyohlanza ipaki yangakubo. Futhi ngikhumbula ngishaywa kakhulu yilokho ngoba ngacabanga “Wow. Okokuqala nje, benza kanjani abantu benze lokho?” futhi wonke umuntu wakwenza lokho ngakho ngazibuza ukuthi “Ingabe nami kufanele ngenze lokho, ingabe nami ngiyingxenye yalo mphakathi noma ngingasebenzisa izaba zokungabi nalo leli siko?” Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ngezinye izikhathi ngangihlanza, futhi ngezinye izikhathi ngangisebenzisa umehluko wami wamasiko ukuze ngingakwenzi lokho. Ngakho-ke ziningi izindlela ezahlukene zokubuka umongo, kunezinhlaka ezahlukene zokuthi singaqonda kanjani. Uma sinomqondo wokuthi kuwumthwalo wethu ukuhlehla siqonde.
Ria: Ngakho-ke ngokusekelwe olwazini lwakho lwezici ezihlukahlukene zokuhlangana kwamasiko njengamagugu nobunye ubukhulu, ucabanga ukuthi kungani kwenzeka kanjalo? Abantu baseJapane bahlangana kanjani njengeqembu futhi kwenzeka kanjani ukuthi umehluko wamasiko eMelika noma ulwazi lwakho eDolobheni laseNew York lubonakale ngendlela olubonise ngayo?
Beth: Ngakho-ke izizathu ezimbalwa futhi ngicabanga ukuthi akwenzeki nje ukuthi kungazelelwe lokhu kuyinto evamile. Kuyingxenye yohlelo lwethu lwezemfundo, kuyingxenye yalokho okufunda esikoleni mayelana nokuthi kusho ukuthini ukuba yilungu lomphakathi elinikelayo. Kuphinde kube yilokho okufundiswa emndenini wakho, ukuthi yiziphi izindinganiso. Yilokho okufundiswa endaweni yangakini, futhi akukhona nje lokho okufundiswa ngamabomu kodwa futhi yilokho okubonayo. Ngakho-ke uma ubona umuntu evula i-candy wrapper futhi eyiphonsa phansi, noma ubona ukuthi i-candy wrapper igcina kubhasikidi wemfucuza, noma uma ungekho ubhasikidi wemfucuza, ubona othile efaka leso sisonga ephaketheni lakhe. ukulahlwa kubhasikidi wemfucuza kamuva, bese ufunda. Ufunda mayelana nokuthi iyini imikhuba yomphakathi, yalokho okufanele nokungafanele kube yiyo. Ufunda ikhodi yokuziphatha, amakhodi akho okuziphatha aleso simo. Ngakho kwenzeka kusukela usemncane kakhulu, kuyingxenye yendwangu yakho, ngicabanga, yokuthi ungubani. Futhi ngakho-ke eJapane ngokwesibonelo, i-collectivist eyengeziwe, umphakathi wasempumalanga, kunenkolelo eyengeziwe yokuthi indawo ehlanganyelwe yindawo yomphakathi, njalonjalo, ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi abantu bayavela. Manje, angisho ukuthi umhlaba onengqondo ngoba zikhona nezindawo okwabelwana ngazo ezingafunwa muntu futhi engibone udoti omningi kuzo njengalapho sasivame ukuqwala izintaba siya entabeni futhi ngikhumbula ngizitholela udoti. ukungqubuzana okukhulu kokwenzekayo ngoba ngacabanga ukuthi kungani kule ndawo, kungekho muntu ohlanzayo, ukuthi kukhona indawo futhi bahlanza udoti; kanti kwezinye izindawo abantu bacabanga ukuthi wonke umuntu unendima ethile. Ngakho-ke kuyinto engiyibonayo futhi ngenxa yalokho, lapho ngibuyela e-US, lapho ngibuyela e-US ukuze ngiyohlala futhi lapho ngibuyela e-US ukuze ngivakashele, ngaqaphela kakhulu lezo zinhlobo zokuziphatha, ngaqaphela kakhudlwana. yendawo okwabelwana ngayo engangingazange ngibe nayo ngaphambili.
Ria: Kuyathakazelisa ngempela lokho. Ngakho-ke kunesisekelo esikhulu sohlelo ezintweni eziningi esibhekana nazo usuku nosuku. Manje, kubalaleli bethu abaningi lokhu kungase kube nzima kakhulu. Imaphi amanye amathuluzi esingawakhuluma njengamanje ukuze sisize abalaleli bethu baqonde esimweni sokungqubuzana abangase babhekane naso, endaweni yabo yokusebenza, ezimpilweni zabo siqu, noma emphakathini wabo?
Beth: Ngakho-ke izinto ezimbalwa. Ngiyabonga ngokubuza lowo mbuzo. Ngakho-ke umqondo owodwa uwukucabanga ngalokho engikushilo ekuqaleni, i-CMM - Ukuphathwa Okudidiyelwe Kwencazelo, enye yezimiso eziyisisekelo lapha ukuthi sakha imihlaba yethu, sakha imihlaba yethu yezenhlalo. Ngakho-ke uma kukhona esikwenzile ukudala isimo esingemnandi lokho kusho ukuthi nathi sinamandla okuguqula leso simo sisenze sibe yisimo esihle. Ngakho-ke kukhona umuzwa wokuzenzela esinawo, vele kunezimo njengabanye abantu kanye nesimo esikuso emphakathini nokunye, okuthonya ukuthi kungakanani ukusebenzela noma ukulawula esinakho ngempela ekwenzeni umehluko; kodwa sinakho lokho.
Ngakho-ke ngikhulume ngeyodwa yemigomo emithathu yemfihlakalo ngaphambili, ezungeze ukungaqondakali nokungaqiniseki esingakujika futhi sithi, uyazi ukuthi yini, futhi kuyinto yokusondela ngokulangazela, singasho ukuthi "Wow, kungani kunjalo lokhu kwenzeka ngendlela okwenzeka ngayo?" noma “Hmm, kuyathakazelisa ukuthi kungani besilindele ukuthi lokhu kwenzeke kodwa kunalokho kwenzeke.” Lokho kuwukuthambekela okuphelele kwelukuluku kunokwahlulela nemizwa ngokungaqiniseki.
Umgomo wesibili ukuhambisana. Ngamunye wethu njengabantu uzama ukuqonda, sizama ukwenza incazelo yezimo zethu, sifuna ukwazi ukuthi kuphephile, akuphephile, sifuna ukuqonda ukuthi lokhu kusho ukuthini kimi? Lokhu kungithinta kanjani? Kuyithinta kanjani impilo yami? Kuzithinta kanjani izinqumo okufanele ngizenze? Asikuthandi ukungezwani, asithandi uma singenakho ukuhambisana, ngakho-ke sihlala silwela ukwenza umqondo wezinto nezimo zethu, njalo silwela ukwenza umqondo wokusebenzelana kwethu nabanye; okuholela esimisweni sesithathu sokusebenzisana. Abantu, njengoba sishilo ekuqaleni, bayizidalwa zomphakathi futhi badinga ukuhlobana; ubudlelwano bubalulekile. Futhi lokho kusho ukuthi kufanele sidansele ingoma efanayo, asifuni ukunyathela izinzwane zomunye nomunye, sifuna ukusebenzelana, ukuvumelanisa nabanye ukuze sakhe incazelo eyabiwe ndawonye. Futhi nokuthi uma ngikhuluma okuthile nomuntu ohlukile kimi, ngifuna ukuthi baqonde engikushilo ngendlela engifuna ukuqondwa ngayo. Lapho singenakho ukusebenzisana, mhlawumbe kunezimfihlakalo eziningi ebudlelwaneni, lapho-ke asinakho ukubumbana. Ngakho zontathu lezi zimiso ziyasebenzisana.
Ria: Yebo, kuhle lokho. Engikucosha kakhulu ngalokhu ukuthi singaba kanjani nokuzazi ngokwanele ukuze sizizwe sihambisana ngaphakathi kwethu. Futhi singathola ukungezwani phakathi kwethu ngabanye phakathi kwendlela esizizwa ngayo, lokho esikucabangayo, nalokho esithemba ukuthi umphumela uzoba. Ngakho-ke lapho sisebenzelana ebudlelwaneni nabanye abantu, noma ngabe kungomunye umuntu oyedwa noma eqenjini noma enhlanganweni yeqembu, abantu abaningi, kuba nzima kakhulu. Ngakho-ke singayiphatha kanjani inkhulumomphendvulwano yethu yangaphakathi ngendlela ephusile ukuze ilethe ukuvumelana ngaphakathi kwethu ngethemba lokuthi inhloso yethu ifane nomthelela esinawo ekusebenzelaneni kwethu.
Beth: Ngakho-ke uma sicabanga ngathi, ibinzana elisetshenziswe abanye, 'amathuluzi oshintsho' lokho kusho ukuthi zonke izimo esingena kuzo siyilelo thuba loshintsho futhi siyilelo thuluzi lokukhuluma, leso silwane esinomgomo oqondile. ithonya kukho konke okusizungezile. Okusho ukuthi singathonywa kokuhle noma okubi futhi kukithi ukuthi senze isinqumo, futhi kuwukukhetha ngoba sinalezo zikhathi ezibucayi lapho singenza khona ukukhetha. Asazi ngaso sonke isikhathi ukuthi sinokukhetha, sicabanga ukuthi “Bengingenayo enye indlela, bekufanele ngenze engikwenzile”, kodwa empeleni kukhuphuka kakhulu ukuzethemba kwethu, lapho siziqonda ngokwengeziwe, kulapho sikhula khona. siqonde izimiso zethu nokuthi yini ebaluleke ngempela kithi. Bese siqondanisa ukuxhumana kwethu nokuziphatha kanye nalolo lwazi nokuqwashisa, lapho-ke siba ne-ejensi eyengeziwe nokulawula mayelana nendlela esithonya ngayo ezinye izimo.
Ria: Kukhulu. Khumbula Beth, ubukhuluma ku-CMM ukuthi sidalwa kanjani isikhala kanye ne-tempo kanye nesikhathi nokuthi kubaluleke kangakanani lokhu.
Beth: Yebo, ngakho-ke ngivame ukusho ukuthi isikhathi siyikho konke ngoba kunesici sokulungela noma ukulunga okufanele kwenzeke kuwena, umongo, nomunye umuntu, mayelana nokuthi uzohlanganyela kanjani futhi nini. Uma sisesimweni esishube kakhulu somzwelo, cishe asibona abangcono kakhulu, ngakho-ke mhlawumbe yisikhathi esihle sokuhlehla futhi singazibandakanyi nomunye ngoba akukho okwakhayo okuzophuma kukho. Manje, abanye abantu bayathanda ukungenisa umoya, nokuthi kudingeka ukuthi kuphume umoya, futhi angiphikisani nalokho, ngicabanga ukuthi kunezindlela ezehlukene zokubhekana nokuvezwa kwethu ngokomzwelo kanye nezinga lomzwelo esinawo futhi yini eyakhayo. kuleso simo esithile nalowo muntu mayelana nalolo daba oluthile. Bese kuba khona i-tempo. Manje, ngiphuma eNew York City nase-New York City sinejubane elisheshayo, futhi uma kunokuma imizuzwana emi-3 engxoxweni kusho ukuthi yithuba lami futhi ngingagxumela khona lapho. Uma sine-tempo esheshayo, futhi ukushesha futhi ukwahlulela - kusho ukuthini ukushesha? uma sine-tempo ezwakala ishesha kumuntu osesimweni, futhi asiziniki thina noma elinye iqembu isikhathi noma isikhala sokulawula imizwa yabo, ukucabanga ngokucacile ngalokho okwenzekayo nokubeka phambili ukuphila kwabo okuhle. ukuholela ezinqubweni ezakhayo kanye nemiphumela eyakhayo. Ngakho-ke engingakusho ukuthi ezimeni zokungqubuzana, kuhle ngempela uma singaba nalokho kuqwashisa ukuze sinciphise ijubane, sibuyele emuva futhi sakhe leso sikhala. Manje mina ngezinye izikhathi, ngokwami, ngibona ngeso lengqondo indawo yangempela yomzimba, indawo ebonakalayo endaweni yesifuba sami lapho imizwa yami ikhona, inhliziyo yami ikhona, futhi ngibona ngeso lengqondo isikhala somzimba phakathi kwami nomunye umuntu. Futhi ngokwenza lokho, lokho kungisiza ukuthi ngihlehle, ngivule izingalo zami, futhi ngidale leso sikhala kunokuba ngiqine kakhulu ngibambe izingalo nesifuba sami ndawonye ngoba lokho kungigcina ngiqine kakhulu ngokomzimba. Ngifuna ukuvuleka okusho ukuthi kufanele ngethembe futhi ngibe sengozini futhi ngivumele ukuba sengozini futhi ngethembe okwenzeka komunye.
Ria: Yebo, lokho kuzwakala ngempela. Ngiyakwazi ukuzwa isikhala phakathi nalokho okushoyo kimi ukuthi okubalulekile ubuhlobo, ukuthi akumina ngokumelene nomunye, mina ngokumelene nezwe, ukuthi ngihlala nginobudlelwane nabantu. Futhi ngezinye izikhathi ngifuna 'ukungalungile' ngoba ngifuna kube nethuba lokuthi othile akhulume iqiniso lakhe, ukuze sifinyelele umphumela wokuqamba noma umgomo noma indalo ndawonye. Futhi-ke, akukhona mayelana nokulungile noma okungalungile kodwa ngezinye izikhathi yilokho okushiwo ingqondo. Kunomqondo wokuxoxa oqhubekayo futhi awukona mayelana nokuphakama ngaphezu kwengxoxo noma ukuwuziba, kodwa uwukuqaphela futhi lokho kuyingxenye yoshintsho osukwini lwethu lwesintu kuya ezinsukwini.
Beth: Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kwezinye izimo, zishisa kakhulu futhi ziyingozi. Futhi ziyingozi ngoba abantu bazizwa besongelwa, abantu bazizwa bengaphephile. Siyazi ukuthi uma sivula izindaba nganoma yiluphi usuku oluthile sizwa izimo eziningi ezinjengokuthi lapho kukhona ngempela, engingakusho, ukuntula ukuqonda, ukuntuleka kokubekezelelana, kanye naleso sikhala sokuqonda abanye futhi akukho. hhayi leso sifiso. Ngakho-ke uma ngicabanga ngokuvikeleka nokuphepha ngicabanga ngakho ngamaleveli ambalwa ahlukene, elinye liwukuthi sinesifiso nesidingo sokuphepha ngokomzimba. Kumele ngazi ukuthi uma ngivula umnyango wami ukuze ngiphume ekhaya ngizobe ngiphephile ngokomzimba. Kukhona ukuphepha ngokomzwelo, ngidinga ukwazi ukuthi uma ngizivumela ukuba ngibe sengozini komunye, bayoba nozwelo futhi banginakekele futhi bangafuni ukungilimaza. Futhi ngidinga ukwazi ukuthi ngokwengqondo, ngokwengqondo futhi nginokuphepha nokuphepha, ukuthi ngibeka engcupheni ngoba ngizizwa ngiphephile ukwenza kanjalo. Futhi ngeshwa ngezinye izikhathi sifika ezingeni elinjalo lokushisa, ngenxa yokuntuleka kwegama elingcono, ukuthi lokho kuphepha kukude kakhulu futhi asiboni nokuthi kungenzeka kanjani ukuthi sifinyelele kuleso sikhala sokuphepha. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kwezinye zalezo zinhlobo zezimo, futhi lokhu kuwukuqondiswa kwamasiko futhi, kuye ngesiko akuphephile ukuba ubuso nobuso nomunye umuntu futhi uzame ukuxazulula lokho kungqubuzana kwamasiko. Sidinga ukuba nendawo ebonakalayo futhi sidinga ukuba nomuntu noma iqembu elithile labantu abakhona njengabagqugquzeli bezinkampani zangaphandle balolo hlobo lwengxoxo. Futhi inkhulumomphendvulwano yilokho esikudinga ngempela ukuthi sibe nakho lapho kungadingeki ukuthi size esinqumweni sokuthi senzeni, ngoba asikakakulungeli ukwenza lokho. Kudingeka sivule ngempela leso sikhala ukuze siqonde futhi sibe nenqubo yokugqugquzela yenkampani yangaphandle kuvumela ukwabelana ngolwazi ukuze kujulise ukuqonda, nokwabelana ngolwazi ngalowo mgqugquzeli wenkampani yangaphandle ukuze kube mnandi futhi kuqondakala kwabanye. Futhi, ngokuvamile, uma sikhungathekile futhi siziveza, ngokuvamile akugcini nje ngendlela eyakhayo mayelana nalokho engikudingayo kodwa futhi kulahla nokunye. Futhi olunye uhlangothi ngeke lufune ukuzwa noma yikuphi ukulahlwa kwabo ngoba bazizwa bengathathi hlangothi nangakolunye uhlangothi.
hleka: Yebo. Okuzwakalayo yilo mbono nokuzijwayeza ukubamba indawo, futhi ngiwuthanda kakhulu lowo musho – indlela yokubamba isikhala; indlela yokubamba isikhala ngokwethu, indlela yokubamba isikhala somunye kanye nendlela yokubamba isikhala sobudlelwane nokuthi kwenzekani. Futhi ngifuna ngempela ukugqamisa lo muzwa wokuzisebenzela nokuzazi ngoba kuwumkhuba futhi akukhona ukuphelela futhi kumayelana nokuphrakthiza okwenzekayo. Lapho ngicabanga emuva kulowo mzuzu lapho ngineminyaka engu-11 ngifunda kuSonto-sikole phakathi nokwethulwa kwami, manje njengomuntu omdala, ngiyakwazi ukucabanga emuva futhi ngibone inkimbinkimbi yemizuzwana embalwa futhi ngikwazi ukukuqaqa lokho ngendlela enengqondo. Ngakho-ke manje ngakha lomsipha wokuzicabangela kanye nokuzihlola, futhi ngezinye izikhathi sizosuka ezimeni ezidideke kakhulu zalokho okusanda kwenzeka. Futhi sikwazi ukuzibuza “Yini esanda kwenzeka? Kwenzakalani?”, sizilolongela ukubheka ngamalensi ahlukene, futhi mhlawumbe lapho singabeka etafuleni ukuthi iziphi izinto zamasiko ethu, imibono yethu iyini, yini eyamukelekayo emphakathini nokuthi yini engiye ngephutha, singaqala ukuyifaka ngaphakathi. futhi uyiguqule ngendlela enengqondo. Futhi ngezinye izikhathi lapho siba noshintsho kungazelelwe, kungase kube nokuhlehla. Ngakho-ke ukubamba isikhala salokho kubuyisela emuva, ukubamba isikhala sokungqubuzana. Futhi empeleni esikhuluma ngakho lapha ukufunda ukuthi ungaba kanjani kuleso sikhala lapho ungakhululekile khona. Futhi lokho kuthatha ukuzijwayeza ngoba akukhululekile, ngeke uzizwe uphephile ngempela, kodwa yindlela esizibamba ngayo lapho sibhekene nokungakhululeki.
Beth: Ngakho-ke ngicabanga manje e-US lapho kunezinkinga eziningi ezenzekayo ngokuhlukana kwezinhlanga, njengoba abanye abantu bengakubiza kanjalo. Futhi uma sibheka emhlabeni wonke emhlabeni jikelele kunezinkinga zobuphekula nokuthi kwenzekani, futhi kunezingxoxo ezinzima ngempela okudingeka zenzeke futhi okwamanje kunokuningi ukusabela nokusabela kukho futhi abantu bafuna ukusola ngokushesha. Futhi benza ukusola engikucabangayo ngomqondo wokuzama ukuthola ukuthi kwenzakalani kanye nokuthola indlela yokuphepha. Ukugxekana njengoba sike sasho ekuqaleni, akusiyo inqubo eyakhayo ngoba esikhundleni sokusola mhlawumbe sidinga ukuhlehla sizame ukuqonda. Ngakho-ke kudingeka kube nokulalela okuningi okwenzekayo, kudingeka kube nesikhala sokuphepha nokwethembana ngangokunokwenzeka ukuze kube nalezi zingxoxo ezinzima. Manje ngeke sizizwe sijabule ngenqubo yokuba nayo ngoba sizozizwa sikhathele ngokomzimba, ngokwengqondo, emoyeni ngokwenza lokho futhi mhlawumbe singaphephile. Ngakho-ke kulezo zimo, ngingasho ukuthi kuhle kakhulu ukuthi izinto ezi-2 zenzeke. Ngakho-ke ku-1 ukuba nakanjani ube namakhono, ukuqeqesha ochwepheshe abangabagqugquzeli ukuthi bakwazi ngempela ukubamba leso sikhala futhi banikeze ukuphepha okuningi ngangokunokwenzeka esikhaleni. Kodwa futhi, abantu ababambiqhaza nabo kudingeka bazibophezele ekufuneni ukuba lapho nokubamba leyo ndawo okwabelwana ngayo. Okwesibili ukuthi, emhlabeni okahle, esingawudala - akukho lapho singakwazi ukufinyelela khona, bekungeke yini kube kuhle uma sonke besinohlobo oluthile lokufunda nokuthuthuka okuhambisana nalezi zinhlobo zamakhono. Kusho ukuthini ukuzazi ngempela? Kusho ukuthini ukuqonda izindinganiso zethu nokuthi yini ebalulekile kithi? Kusho ukuthini ukuphana ngempela ekuqondeni abanye futhi ungagxumi ukusola, kodwa uthathe isinyathelo emuva futhi ubambe isikhala futhi ubambe umbono wokuthi mhlawumbe banokuthile okuhle ngempela abangakunikeza? Mhlawumbe kukhona okuhle ngempela futhi okubalulekile ukuthi ungubani lowo muntu futhi uthola ukumazi lowo muntu. Futhi empeleni, mhlawumbe uma sengimazi lowo muntu, mhlawumbe ngizwana naye futhi mhlawumbe sinokuningi okufanayo kunalokho ebengicabanga ukuthi sikwenzile. Ngoba nakuba ngingabukeka ngihlukile kini, ngisengakholelwa ezimisweni eziningi ezifanayo eziyisisekelo nokuthi ngifuna ukuphila kanjani ukuphila kwami, nokuthi ngifuna ukuthi umndeni wami uphile kanjani ukuphila kwawo endaweni elondeke kakhulu, enothando. .
Ria: Yebo. Ngakho-ke kumayelana nokudala ngokuhlanganyela isiqukathi kanye nokudala ngokubambisana ubudlelwano, nokuthi kukhona ukukhanya nesithunzi okuyizinhlangothi eziphambene zohlamvu lwemali olufanayo. Ukuthi njengoba sakha njengathi, sihlakaniphe ngendlela esingaba ngayo njengabantu, singakwazi ngokufanayo ukucekela phansi futhi sibe yingozi kithina nasemphakathini wethu. Ngakho-ke silapha, kulo mhlaba, ngiyazi ukuthi kunezihlahla ezikhula zibe zinde njengezimpande zazo, ngakho-ke thina njengabantu sihlangana kanjani futhi sikwazi ukunaka ngokwanele futhi sizinikele ngokwanele ukuba sibambe. lezi zimpicabadala kanye nokuzilawula. Futhi ukulalela kuyisiqalo esihle ngempela, futhi kunzima kakhulu futhi kuwufanele; kukhona okubaluleke kakhulu ekulaleleni nje. Okunye esikushilo phambilini ebengikucabanga ukuthi ngiyakholelwa ngempela ekubeni nomkhandlu, futhi ngiyakholelwa nakubelaphi, ukuthi kukhona ochwepheshe abakhokhelwayo ukuthi balalele futhi bezwe ngempela. Futhi badlula kukho konke lokhu kuqeqeshwa ukuze babambe indawo ephephile ngempela esitsheni somuntu ngamunye ukuze kuthi lapho sisenkingeni yemizwa, lapho sibhekene nesiphithiphithi futhi sidinga ukuhambisa amandla ethu ukuze sibe nomthwalo wemfanelo ekuzinakekeleni. , ukuya emkhandlwini wethu, ukuya endaweni yethu ephephile ngabanye, kubangane bethu abasondelene nemindeni kanye nozakwethu, kochwepheshe abakhokhelwayo - kungakhathaliseki ukuthi umqeqeshi wezempilo noma owelapha noma indlela yokuziduduza.
Beth: Usho-ke umkhandlu futhi ngicabanga ukuthi uma sibheka amasiko ahlukene emhlabeni jikelele kanye namasiko ahlukene emhlabeni jikelele. Kukhona lolo hlobo lokuhlinzekwa emhlabeni wonke, zibizwa nje ngezinto ezahlukene ezindaweni ezahlukene. E-US sivame ukuba ne-proclivity maqondana nokwelashwa kanye nabelaphi, kwezinye izindawo abakwenzi ngoba kuwuphawu noma uphawu lobuthakathaka bemizwa ngakho-ke ngeke bafune ukwenza lokho, futhi ngokuqinisekile akukhona lokho esikukhuthazayo. Esikukhuthazayo nokho wukuthola ukuthi ungawuthathaphi lowo mkhandlu kanye nalowo mhlahlandlela ozokusiza ukuthi ube kuleyo ndawo ephephile. Uma ngicabanga ngokulalela ngicabanga ngamaleveli amaningi ahlukene nokuthi silalele ini, futhi enye yezindawo zentuthuko esiyifundile emkhakheni wokuxazulula izingxabano umqondo wokulalela izidingo ngakho-ke singasho okuningi. ngezinto ezahlukene futhi ngithatha igxathu elibuyela emuva ekuqeqeshweni kwami bese ngithi “Kwenzekani ngempela lapha? Bathini ngempela? Badingani ngempela?” Ekugcineni, uma kunento eyodwa engingayenza ukuze ngithuthukise ubuhlobo obuhle nalo muntu futhi ngibonise ukuqonda okujulile, ngidinga ukuqonda ukuthi yini abayidingayo, ngidinga ukukuqonda lokho bese ngithola izindlela zokuhlangabezana naleso sidingo ngoba abanye bethu bakhuluma kakhulu ngesikushoyo, kodwa ngokuvamile asikhulumi ngezinga lezidingo ngoba lokho kusho ukuthi sisengozini, siyavula. Abanye, futhi ikakhulukazi ezimweni zokungqubuzana, sonke singaba sesimweni lapho singakhulumi futhi sivele sikhulume futhi sisole futhi empeleni nje sisho izinto ezingeke zisifikise lapho sifuna ukuya khona. Ngakho-ke, izikhathi eziningi ngingaba yimina noma ngibone abanye abantu ezimeni futhi emakhanda ethu sithi "Cha, ungahambi lapho", kodwa empeleni siya khona lapho, ngenxa yemikhuba yethu sivele singene kulolo gibe. nakuba sazi ezingeni elilodwa ukuthi ngeke kusifikise lapho sifuna ukuba khona.
Enye into ebesikhuluma ngayo phambilini, umqondo wonke mayelana nokwakha nokucekela phansi futhi unikeze isifaniso esihle sezihlahla ezinezimpande ezijulile njengoba zinde zinhle futhi ziyesabeka ngasikhathi sinye, ngoba uma singaba kuhle kakhulu futhi kuyakha, lokho kusho ukuthi sinamandla okucekela phansi nokwenza izinto engicabanga ukuthi singazisola kakhulu ngazo. Ngakho-ke sifunda ngempela ukuphatha ukuze singayi lapho, singase siphumele obala lapho kodwa singajuli lapho ngoba singase sifinyelele lapho cishe singabuyi khona futhi sizokwenza izinto esizozisola ngazo zonke izimpilo zethu futhi. buza ukuthi kungani senze lokho futhi kungani sakusho lokho, kuyilapho empeleni kwakungeyona inhloso yethu ukwenza lokho noma sasingafuni ngempela ukubangela uhlobo lomonakalo. Kungenzeka ukuthi sike sacabanga ukuthi senze ngaleso sikhathi ngoba besinomunyu kakhulu, kodwa empeleni uma sehlela phansi emqondweni ojulile wokuthi singobani akukhona lokho ebesifuna ukukudala ngempela emhlabeni.
Ria: Yebo. Kumayelana nezinga mhlawumbe lokuvuthwa ukuze sikwazi ukufika endaweni lapho uma sinalezi zifiso ezinamandla zokusabela kwemizwa, kumayelana nokukwazi ukwakha leso sikhala ukuze sikwazi ukuzihambisa ngokwethu, sibe nesibopho ngakho. Futhi kwesinye isikhathi kuba wudaba oluhlelekile, kungaba udaba lwamasiko lapho uma siveza okwenzekayo ngokwethu, futhi lokhu kuvame ukwenzeka lapho sisola, isizathu esenza sisole abanye abantu yingoba akulula ukuthi sikubambe ngaphakathi kwethu, ukuthi “Mhlawumbe ngiyingxenye yale nkinga.” Bese kuba lula ukuphusha inkinga komunye umuntu ukuze sizizwe kahle ngoba sisesimweni sokukhathazeka, futhi sisesimweni sokungakhululeki. Futhi ingxenye yalokhu ukufunda ukuthi ukungakhululeki nokuphatheka kabi nokuba nokungqubuzana kuyinto evamile futhi mhlawumbe singakwazi ngisho ukweqa lesi sikhala sokusabela siye kulokho okulindelekile. Hhayi uma lokhu kwenzeka, yilapho lokhu kwenzeka ngingakwazi kanjani ukukuphatha kahle, ngingaba kanjani umuntu wami ongcono kakhulu; nokuza izilungiselele.
Beth: Bengicabanga nangendida okhulume ngayo ngaphambili njengokusola abanye kodwa ngasikhathi sinye futhi ngifuna ukuthi abanye basibambe futhi basemukele ngendlela evikelekile. Ngakho-ke ngezinye izikhathi siphusha lokho esikufuna ngempela kulezo zimo, okuhlanganisa nathi ngokwethu, ukuthi sizincishe thina noma sizihleke uma empeleni sifuna nathi ukuthi sikwazi ukuvela futhi sibonakale kahle kuleso simo.
Ria: Yebo. Ngakho-ke kuningi esikhulume ngakho lapha futhi ngibona kungaba kuhle ngempela ukuvula ulayini maduzane sizwe eminye imibuzo okungenzeka abalaleli bethu abanayo.
Beth: Umqondo omuhle. Ngakho-ke ngifuna ukubonga wonke umuntu ngokulalela namuhla futhi sithemba ukuzwa kuwe, futhi uma kungenjalo ekupheleni kwalolu cingo lomsakazo, mhlawumbe ngesinye isikhathi. Ngibona kakhulu.
